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today president obama will leave for his first trip to israel as president. now, the white house is downplaying expectations for any major steps toward the middle east peace process, but of course the president's meetings and appearances have been very carefully orchestrated. he will check out the iron dome air defense missile launcher partially funded by the united states. he'll visit the dead sea scrolls at the israel museum in jerusalem to show he believes in the ancient jewish connection to israel. he'll lay a wreath at a zionist visionary theater tomb as well as slain prime minister's its ak rabin's grave. the president will have several meetings and working dinner with newly re-elected prime minister benjamin netanyahu. of course, no secret that the relationship between these two leaders hasn't always been a warm one. besides discussing peace between israel and palestine what a-- oe of the other major topics is iran's nuclear program.
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the president encouraged their leaders to move toward peace. >> now is the time for the iranian government to take immediate and meaningful steps to reduce tensions and work toward an enduring, long-term settlement of the nuclear issue. >> i want to bring in matt welch editor-in-chief of "reason" magazine and mckay copins. good to see both of you. >> thank you so much. the white house managing expectations, matt. what do they want out of this trip? >> i think what obama is trying to do besides serially lower expectations is talk directly to the people of israel and the palestinian authority themselves. he is going to give a talk to an informal talk at a youth center in the west bank and a talk to israeli students. he thinks if he moves around the political structure he might lay the groundwork for something that might come later and try to change hearts and minds. >> there was an interesting poll that just came out. it was a daily newspaper there. they found 38% believe he is
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hostile to israel. 14% think he is indifferent. only one-third believe that he is supportive. i wonder what you think is the strategy there? is it sort of like in the united states, if he can't get something through congress he goes directly to the people? >> i think that'll be part of it. the situation in israel sort of represents one of the fundamental miscalculations of the obama presidency, which was that when he came into office he thought, and a lot of his advisers thought, they'd be able to make a dent there by sheer force of will and personality and by being kind of this unifying figure. and, of course, diplomacy is more complicated than that. and the peace process there has been stalled for years. so i think that the reason they're lowering expectations is because they don't expect that much to happen on this trip. i think he is going there more as a box checking exercise than hoping to make any kind of serious strides in diplomacy. >> i think he's also trying to make up a little bit for the speech in egypt in 2009, caused
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a little controversy. let me play a little clip. >> so let there be no doubt. the situation for the palestinian people is intolerable. america will not turn our backs on the legitimate palestinian aspiration for dignity, opportunity, and a state of their own. >> i think one of the reasons it made people nervous is they thought it tied the holocaust too closely to the story of israel and that's probably why he is going to hertzel's tomb and the dead sea scrolls. he really wants to be out there and at least get the process started. >> there is no process to start is the thing to realize. one thing we're seeing -- >> i mean the process of making a reconnection with people. >> yes. which is the only card he has left to play. besides the stuff behind the scenes which he is going to be talking about how to blunt iran's nuclear capabilities and deal with what is essentially a regional civil war in syria which has implications for
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everyone. yes, he is doing this relationship work and going to be making symbolic gestures showing he believes or the united states believes israel had a right to exist prethe holocaust. >> how does iran play into all of this? remember the picture of benjamin netanyahu with the picture at the united nations. how key is this to this whole trip? >> i think that's probably seen by the white house as a more urgent, pressing matter than the peace process in israel. i mean, iran is a huge threat to the region, also a threat to the united states. i think that like matt said there will be a lot of behind-the-scenes kind of back doors negotiations talking about what to do to further isolate iran and make sure they don't get a nuclear weapon. >> let me bring in senator ben card a democrat from maryland and a member of the foreign relations committee. good to see you, senator. good morning. >> good to be with you. thanks. >> i know you led a trip to israel a couple weeks ago and you talked to benjamin netanyahu and simon perez specifically i understand about the president's
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trip. what did they tell you? >> this is a big deal. they're really looking forward to the president being there. they look at it as a major opportunity not only for the president communicating with israelis but to help with the major issues. you've mentioned them -- iran, syria, and the peace process with the palestinians. they're the three big issues that i think the israelis look at the president's visit as putting a spotlight on trying to make progress. >> i'll read you if i can part of michael singh's op-ed in "the washington post", quote. having withdrawn from iraq, drawing down in afghanistan, facing a budgetary crisis, and pivoting to asia, the united states appears to lack the interest to sustain a commitment to the middle east. and we know all of this has changed a lot. it's still changing. but what do you see as our role in the future and how concerned are the folks that you talked to, simon perez, benjamin netanyahu, that the interest is
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waning? >> chris, the players in the middle east look at the united states as being the key partner in all the issues there. they look at us as being absolutely essential in dealing with iran, in getting the syrian process moving more aggressively toward a change in regime in syria and to getting the palestinians to directly negotiate with the israelis on the peace process. they look at the united states as the key partner in moving all three of those issues. >> we also know that he's going to be meeting with mahmoud abbas and i'm sure he'll have something to say about their quest to get recognized by the united nations to make palestine a recognized state. talk to me about what he hope for in that meeting or what you expect out of that meeting. >> i think the president will be very clear that he supports that but the way to get there is direct negotiations between the israelis and the palestinians. that you can't short cut it through the united nations. i think the president will make that point very clear. it might look good for a press release to be able to say you're getting some progress in the
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u.n. but the only way we're going to be able to achieve that two-state solution is through direct negotiations. >> abbas has also threatened to report israel to the international criminal court for human rights violations. do you think that overall that this trip is really a lot about sort of managing relationships more than solving problems? >> well, i think the relationships are extremely important. if the palestinians went to the international criminal court, that would set back, i think, the prospects for peace and the two-state solution. i think the president will make that clear. but i do think establishing the personal relationships, talking to the people, very important. the united states will play a critical role and those personal relationships could take you a long way. >> senator ben cardin, always good to see you. thank you for coming on the program. matt, do you have a sense of what the white house would consider a successful trip? >> that's an interesting question. i think if he gets good press reviews more than anything else because there aren't really many
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achievable goals out there. i think what we're seeing, this is the ten-year anniversary of the iraq war right now. as part of that and this trip is kind of wrapped up with that in a sense we're seeing the kind of erosion of the myth of american omnipotence, right? on the right in america you have people thinking, well, if america just shows will we can kind of do whatever we want. on the left there might be some pressure on the president and in the state department to say, hey. we can, you tell israel what to do in order to get a two-state solution. the fact is america cannot dictate the world's affairs going forward. not only cab n we not afford it but we just can't make the world jump in the direction we want. obama is realizing that and setting new expectations. he said before last year he wouldn't go to israel unless there is some big reason to for the peace process. there isn't a reason now. he is going anyway because i think we have to come to grips with the fact we don't control the world's affairs. >> do you agree we don't control and can't dictate world affairs? and if that is the case, then how do we feel? what's the point of going? is there a point of at least
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influencing to some extent? >> it's interesting. you see in domestic politician especially on right and the republican side the libertarian idea matt just articulated becoming more popular with rand paul, his filibuster and not totally isolationist but basically the idea that the u.s. can get involved everywhere they might want to. i think obama sees that. i think that is the direction politics is shifting after ten years of war. and, yeah. i think that is going to be the reality a lot of politicians come to grips with matt, what's the headline going to be? >> you know, obama tries to make connection with young people. >> succeeds? >> maybe. we can be hopeful. right? >> yeah. of course. we'll be watching closely along with matt welch. thanks, guys. good to see you here in our fancy new set with the map and everything. we also want to tell you about some developing news out of nevada. just happened this morning. seven marines killed. at least seven wounded during a
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live fire exercise at the army's hawthorne depot in nevada. nbc's jim miklaszewski is at the pentagon for us. mick, what can you tell us? >> reporter: chris, u.s. military officials tell nbc news that seven marines were killed and at least seven others wounded in an explosion during a live fire exercise at the hawthorne army depot in far western nevada. now, according to military sources, apparently a 6 o millimeter mortar round exploded as it was loaded into the firing tube. other reports indicate that the round may have exploded when the marines picked it up to load it into that tube. according to military officials four of the marines were killed almost instantly. three others died later of their wounds. at least two marines were transported to a trauma center in nearby reno, nevada. the other injured were taken to a local hospital there in hawthorne. the accident is under investigation. but again, this is a grim
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reminder of the military operations are a risky and dangerous business whether in or out of a combat zone. chris? >> jim miklaszewski, thank you for that update. also this morning, vice president joe biden shook the hand of the newly installed pope, pope francis, after his installation mass. biden of course in rome leading the u.s. delegation. during his homily the pope urged people around the world to protect the weak and the poor. francis is the 266th pope to serve the roman catholic church. we'll have much more on his installation and all the buzz about how he might change the church. married priests maybe? we'll be right back. it's a brand new start. your chance to rise and shine. with centurylink as your trusted technology partner, you can do just that. with our visionary cloud infrastructure, global broadband network and custom communications solutions, your business is more reliable - secure - agile. and with responsive, dedicated support,
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so the buzz continues to build this morning. did we get a big clue that former secretary of state hillary clinton is running in
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2016 after making this video in support of same sex marriage? >> lgbt americans are our colleagues, our teachers, our soldiers, our friends, our loved ones. they are full and equal citizens and deserve the rights of citizenship. that includes marriage. >> the endorsement on the gay advocacy website comes as public support for gay marriage is at an all time high. a new poll showing 58% of americans believe same sex marriage should be legal. up 21 points from a decade ago when the numbers were inversed. i'm joined by the chair of the gay and lesbian victory fund and democratic strategist. good to see you, steve good to see you, chris. >> we were talking about this in the morning meeting. it seems there has been such a change. let's not forget barack obama and hillary clinton when running for president not so long ago were talking about civil unions not gay marriage.
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it is almost astonishing the change but do you take it as a clue she is running? >> i hope so. but i don't know. i think the reason she came out now is very clear. you know, secretary of state, it wasn't appropriate for her to get into the domestic politically -- >> this is the first thing she's come out publicly about. >> obviously the timing is the supreme court is about to do something and it's the right time to say something and something she believes strongly in. as you said, you know, the world is changing rapidly. you know, i remember in the 2004 presidential campaign i worked for john kerry and dick gephardt two great progressives and being for civil unions in that campaign was considered the leading edge. >> it was a big deal then. >> big deal. in 2016 every democrat running for president will be for marriage equality. you know, frankly, i think the republicans as we saw with rob portman last week and the report they put out yesterday are starting to come our way, too. it's only a matter of time. >> that was my question. do you think that, well, if any
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democrat or for that matter any republican can get through 2016 that the obvious pickle is for republicans who are trying to get through the primaries? >> i think it'll be tough for a republican but if i look at "the washington post"/abc poll yesterday, 81% of people under the age of 30 -- 81% are for marriage equality. if they're not going to be for it in 2016 they're going to be for it in 2020 or 2024. >> vice president biden, maryland's governor, martin o'malley, of course new york's governor andrew cuomo, all of them for same sex marriage. do you think we'll see a sort of a windfall or a trickle at this point of other big name politicians, high profile politicians? >> i think if you're a democrat and you're not for gay marriage you are behind the times right now. and i think by the time the supreme court has their arguments and decision, if you're a significant democratic player, in the house and senate, you need to be for gay marriage.
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>> people's opinions have changed on this. obviously we see it in the poll and in the poll of young people it is really a sea change. having said that is it something people will vote on? when push comes to shove if we end up with a democratic candidate who is for same sex marriage and a republican who is against it, can it hurt the person against it significantly enough to make a difference? i think it was a big factor in this last election. i think young people of either party just think it's the right thing to do. it's a civil rights issue. it's not just gay people who want you to be for marriage equali equality. it's a broad segment of the electorate. if you look at that poll the majority of catholics are for marriage equality. a majority of -- the minority communities are for marriage equality. i just think it is more and more a basic civil rights issue that people are going to expect you to be on the right side of. >> steve, thanks so much. good to see you. >> good to see you. in south carolina today the first test of former governor mark sanford's attempt at a post
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paul is endorsing a path to citizenship. in a speech this morning he said, quote, if you wish to live and work in america, then we will find a place for you. the producers of the mini series "the bible" are pushing back after countless comparisons are being made between the actor who plays satan in that mini series and president obama. producer mark brunette calls it utter nonsense and says the actor who plays satan played similar characters years before the president was elected. hollywood is coming to the hill. well, harrison ford at least. the actor and pilot will speak at the house general aviation caucus to bring attention to aviation issues. if you read only one thing this morning, speaking of aviation since i'm just back from rome and acutely sensitive to jet lag and the beauty of sleep my must read is about foods you might want to eat before bed to help you get the zs you need. it's up on our facebook page at facebook/jansingco. don't forget to like us.
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we are breaking news from the supreme court. it is about copyright which sounds boring but nbc's pete williams is outside with the latest. if you've ever sold anything on ebay or had a garage sale you might want to listen up. >> reporter: or a flea market or church raffle or used book store or garage sale. anything like that. this case involves a doctrine that is used thousands of times in america, millions every day. what it says, if you go to the book store and you buy a book or a cd or a video, you're free to then sell it. it's called the first sale doctrine. what that means is once you buy it then the copyright owner's interest in that work extinguishes once you buy it. the question in this case is, does that apply to things that are made overseas? now, that would apply, of course, to any book printed overseas but also that used car that you want to sell that's made overseas, made in japan, that's got copyrighted things in it. watches, computers, anything
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that has copyrighted material. today the supreme court by a vote of 6-3 said, yes. that same rule applies to things that are made overseas. now, this case involved a student from thailand who came to the u.s. to study. he was buying textbooks and noticed that the ones printed in english back in thailand were actually a lot cheaper. so head his family ship them over. then he thought maybe i could run a little business. his family was shipping thousands of books and he was selling it running a pretty thriving business selling these books that were much cheaper than the books made in the u.s. the publisher sued but today lost in the supreme court. so this means you can continue to sell those things on ebay even if they're made overseas and you won't get sued. >> nice to know. nbc's pete williams. thanks so much. >> you bet. remember this?
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sarah palin with the big gulp. well, new york city mayor michael bloomberg is still on a health kick and here is what is next on his list of bans. just over a week after a judge struck down new york's attempt to outlaw those large, sugary drinks, bloomberg wants the nation's first of its kind law requiring retailers to hide their cigarette and tobacco products. >> these laws would protect new yorkers, especially the young and impressionable new yorkers, from pricing discounts and exposure to in-store displays that promote tobacco products -- products whose use is addictive and whose consequences can be deadly. >> let's bring in republican strategist and adviser to speaker john boehner david winston. we're joined by democratic strategist doug thornel former national press secretary for the democratic national campaign committee. good to see both of you. good morning. >> good morning. >> good morning. >> david, what do you think? let's hide cigarettes and sig cars behind the counter maybe? >> look, in terms of cigarettes,
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obviously they have significant health hazards but, you know, having been someone who's been involved on the hill and involved with the speaker one of the most precious things you have is time. i have to say he could be doing other things i think would probably help the city a lot more focusing on education and focusing in terms of economic development. you know, i just have to say -- >> of course his argument is this is critical of a critical public health issue and people who smoke cost millions if not billions of dollars a year. >> but again, sort of return on the time you're going to spend. given the fact that it's not like it is going to stop people from buying vigts. i mean, they can still walk in and purchase them. i just think it is an interesting use of his time and i have to say that i think the city would be better served if he focused on education as opposed to this. >> doug, the head of the new york association of convenience stores is not happy about this. here's what he had to say about it. we think it's patently absurd. can you think of any other retail business licensed to sell legal products that is required
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to hide them from the view of its customers? he right? >> well, i think that's because the tobacco industry spends about a billion dollars in direct marketing toward -- they make payments to these convenience stores so they can position cigarettes and other tobacco products in a more preferable way. and so they're going to lose out in terms of monday ichlt . as far as mayor bloomberg i don't think anyone would say he hasn't been a very good mayor for the city of new york, he has done a lot on education and the economy. this is a public health issue. you're talking about 7,000 new yorkers who die a year because of tobacco products, 450,000 americans. so, look. i think this is certainly a good step but the mayor is going to have a huge fight on his hands because the tobacco industry has made it clear this is something they'll focus on and they don't back down from fights. >> it is not the only thing he is doing after. the other thing michael bloomberg wants to do is create
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a minimum price of 10.50 for the pack of little cigarettes and little cigars. he wants to prohibit the redeeming of any coupons for tobacco, require retailers to sell cheap cigars in packs of at least four. i think one of the larger issues out of this obviously is about the role of government in our every day lives when you talk about these kinds of things -- the banning of soda. >> yeah. >> you have to place the calorie counts in restaurants. what do you think about that? that larger issue? >> i mean, certainly in terms of being concerned about health issues and trying to drive that but go to the point just as doug said. he's going to have a big fight on his hands, a big legal fight. is this really the effort and focus that needs to be taken? again, the school system in new york needs work. i mean, it has gotten better but still needs a significant amount of work. again, economic development. a lot of people need jobs in new york. again, i just think it is a set of priorities here. why is he spending time on this
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and the huge amount of effort that'll end up going into it when it can go into other things the city needs more. >> just one second, chris. if we were to take that approach on issues related to public health we might not do anything. and so, you know, yes there are other -- >> to your point, i was thinking about when i was in college. i'm dating myself now. i was on the debate team and the topic was whether you should require people to wear seat belts. there was a huge hue and cry about that. mothers against drunk driving changed the way we thought about drinking and driving. while i'm not saying these are exactly analogous, these were things that were pushed back against but in the long run had quantifiable benefits. >> look. we've got some precedent there in terms of where this has been attempted and other place ness the state with the long, drawn out legal fight. it turned out in fact you couldn't do exactly what the mayor is trying to do legally. again, i just, of all the things to be doing, he has done soda and this. i find it an odd sense of priorities. people in the city need certain things. they need things improved, education being the best
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example, and he is spending time on this instead. >> doug, what's your guess? will he get it done? >> well, it has to make it through the city council. and i'm sure he'll make a -- push really hard for it. mayor bloomberg is someone who has a long record of accomplishments and he's taken on the tobacco companies before and won so i think that he probably -- he is going to give it his best shot. >> doug, david, good to see you guys. thank you. >> good seeing you. >> thank you. checking the news feed this morning right now sentencing for the teenager who killed three students at chardon high school in ohio last february. t.j. lange showed up in court wearing a white t-shirt with the word "killer" on it. he could face life in prison after pleading guilty. three student survivors as well as relatives of the murdered students are addressing the court before that senting. classes are back in session at the university of central florida today. one day after police say they uncovered a student's attack plans at the school. james comaren was not enrolled for the current term and was in
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the process of being moved out of the dorm where he apparently killed himself. in the room of the 30-year-old police say they found several guns, a backpack loaded with four explosive devices, and notes that laid out that planned attack. the parents of murdered journalist daniel pearl say they are gratified by the news of an arrest in connection with his killing. pakistani officials say the suspect was captured during a raid by the army's paramilitary unit. pearl was working on the story for "the wall street journal" when he was abducted and killed in 2002. at least two people were killed as damaging storms moved through georgia and alabama overnight. hundreds of thousands of people are without power this morning. on this last day of winter, a storm is dumping up to 20 inches of snow in some parts of the northeast making for a messy morning commute. some schools had to close in new york, massachusetts, and connecticut. and, yes, it turns out the rumors were true. tiger woods is dating olympic skier lindsay vonn. the athlete power couple posted
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simultaneous photos and stams on their facebook pages. woods reportedly sent his private jet to fly vonn back to colorado after she injured her knee during a competition in austria last month. we were just talking about new york mayor michael bloomberg's efforts to hide cigarette displays. if that doesn't discourage people from buying the cost might. new yorkers paid the highest state tax on cigarettes. $4.74 tax a pack. number two highest rhode island followed by connecticut. meantime, virginia, which is a big tobacco producer, is next to last. missouri has the lowest state taxes at 38 cents a pack. where does your state rank? just head to our website jansing.msnbc.com. [ male announcer ] from the way the bristles move to the way they clean,
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a recent study reveals new mothers display more symptoms of obsessive compulsive disorder than their peers. northwestern university researchers showed that while only 2% to 3% of the general population displayed ocd symptoms, 11% of women who gave birth within six months showed symptoms. these symptoms are usually temporary and due to hormonal changes. a series of coordinated bombs tore through baghdad this morning killing at least 56% and injuring more than 200 others. this violence comes ten years to the day after the u.s. and its allies invaded iraq. a new gallup poll finds a majority of americans, 53%, now view the war as a mistake. support for the war seems to fall down party lines. 66% of republicans continue to stand by the bush administration's decision to invade, but 73% of democrats say the military campaign was a mistake. i'm joined by retired army
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colonel and medal of honor recipient jack jacobs. former pennsylvania congressman patrick murphy, first veteran of the iraq war to serve in congress. great to have both of you today. >> great to be with you. >> we've been talking a lot about iraq because of chuck hagel's confirmation and many republicans, we see the polls, they also still believe in this war in spite of the fact we know there were no wmds, in spite of the fact they've discounted certain ties between saddam hussein and al qaeda. i'm wondering, jack, how you think that all of this, the appointment of hagel who was obviously a republican, but who opposed the war, how it all plays into our current state of affairs. >> well, everything is tainted by sequestration, about the loss of funds, lots of ominous views about what'll happen to our defense posture because of cuts should they come in great pro-fusion in the next few months or so. hagel was selected at least partially because he, number one, agreed with the president of the united states on the use
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of the military power and number two because he has a lot of contacts in congress at the end of the day being secretary of defense. has as much to do with the relationship between the pentagon and congress as it does anything else. but our adventure in iraq is going to weigh very, very heavily on how we view the use of the american power in the future. it's already had an effect on it. i'm reminded of the observation by the people who first came to maturity at the end of the vietnam war. people who are leaders now said we're not doing that again, never again. well, they did it again when we went to iraq and we're saying never again from now on but it really is to be seen whether that is going to be the case. >> congressman, let me read what michael hirsch wrote in the national journal. he says today there is a new humility, indeed a kind of neo-isolationism that is shaping major decisions as profound lace
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hubris did a decade ago. call tt iraq syndrome. it has clearly become our nation's vietnam syndrome and will likely be the dominant factor in foreign policy decisions of both democratic and republican administrations for years to come. what do you think? >> i wouldn't necessarily agree, because, you know, in vietnam we said as the colonel said we learned our lesson but we didn't learn a lesson in the iraq war. even now, the same warhawks are saying we should be in syria. we should go and bomb iran. so i feel as if there is a premise we should be more isolated, that's not the temperature of the republican party for the most part, besides rand paul, who is separate. that's a shame. because we as a country should always be the reluctant warrior. when you look back now to the ten-year anniversary of the iraq war to know this war was started as you mentioned, chris, because the bush administration said there was weapons of mass
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destruction, and because they said there was a connection with 9/11, neither of which were true and our intelligence agency said to the administration this isn't true yet they still moved forward at the cost of over 4400 americans losing their lives. >> almost 4500 american troops killed. at least 3400 u.s. contractors died. 130,000 iraqi civilians. and then the financial cost is absolutely staggering. more than 2 trillion. i saw one report recently that said when you start to calculate the long-term costs, including what it costs us to take care of the veterans who came back, and who were seriously wounded, we could be looking at something closer to 6 trillion. now whether or not people agree with that number, what lessons have we learned from iraq? >> well, a lot of them. there are a lot of tactical lessons. don't drive down unsecured roads which all of us learned when we were very young soldiers. it always takes more resources to hold on to an objective than it does to take it in the first place. that is certainly the truth.
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we went in for a short period of time. did not allocate as many people as we should have to hold on to the terrain and found ourselves there for another, the better part of another decade. incrementalizing the same way we did in vietnam with no objective in sight. no real, articulated objective in sight. the single most important lesson we have learned, and i hope we don't forget it, is that we can't be use a military instrument of power as the default instrument of power. we do all the time because the military is really good at what it does. but we've got economic instruments and diplomatic instruments we need to hone. we're no good at using them. we better start getting good at using those. >> i think the colonel makes a great point. that is why i'm hopeful we have two vietnam war veterans at the center of power down in washington in john kerry, the secretary of state, and chuck hagel. >> you think that does change the equation? >> they have to work together. you can't have the separate entities. also another vietnam veteran but especially the state department,
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dod, we got to work together. we can't ask these young heroes to do everything. they are not miracle workers. listen, they are awesome, the best. we both served with them. but, one, you can't, when you send them into harm's way you better give them enough fire power and troops. when the highest ranking army general at the time testified to congress before the iraq war saying if we do this we need 700,000 troops and yet they put about 150,000 originally but wolfowitz who never served in war, never wore the cloth of our country said the very next day the general is wildly off the mark. the lesson also is learned, if you commit the country to war listen to the military experts who have been through this, who lost friends, and make sure you get it right. >> you write about that in your blog so people can check it out. thanks to you both for your service. also this friday at 9:00 catch the msnbc documentary "hubris,
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selling the iraq war" hosted by rachel maddow detailing how faulty intelligence paved the way for war. today's tweet of the day comes from former defense secretary donald rumsfeld. ten years ago began the long, difficult work of liberating 25 million iraqis all who played a role in history deserve our respect and appreciation. to what's moving your money, we've got easter on a budget. cnbc's mandy drury is here. easter bonnets, the chocolate eggs, the ham for the dinner. how much are we spending here? >> according to the national retail federation, the average person is going to spend just slightly over $145 on all those various easter goodies you just mentioned. the problem here is it's almost exactly the same as was spent last year and the reason given here is we've all been going to the grocery store. you know you fill up at the pump, you see the cost of living
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has been rising and many are having to budget that little bit extra. the survey found the vast majority of the easter budget goes toward food for a family brunch or dinner and over 63% of consumers will visit discount stores for the easter needs. >> and it had to come sooner or later i guess. starbucks is buying its own coffee farm. >> right. it bought its first farm and plans to use the 600-acre property in costa rica to develop new coffee varieties. good for us right? also, this is fairly important, test to eradicate the fungal disease known as coffee rust which has really cut down on coffee production in latin america. the ceo howard schultz says they want do innovative things they wouldn't be able to do without the farm and he isn't ruling out buying more. we do not know the purchase price but the new farm is going to help starbucks to develop proprietary new coffee varieties through hybridization, not genetic modification, and they already have five centers they
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as many as 200,000 people packed in st. peter's square for today's installation mass for pope francis. the theme of his homily was "protection of the poor, the young, the elderly, and the environment." he said a little tenderness can open up a horizon of hope. earlier, the pope had traveled in an open jeep instead of the well protected popemobile. look at him stepping out. several times he blessed a disabled man. he kissed babies. he wore simple vestments and black, not red shoes. 132 official delegations were there from around the world. there you see the head of the u.s. delegation vice president joe biden.
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i'm joined by father john with the archdiocese of trenton, new jersey. good to see you. >> good to see you, chris. >> we watched the mass together. it was interesting to see what the pope's twitter feed took out of that not so long homily. he tweeted, true power is service. the pope must serve all people especially the poor, the weak, the vulnerable. we're all looking for clues to what his papacy will be like. what did you learn today? >> i think it's about the simplicity and focusing on the central mission of the church, which is opening wide the arms of christ to all people, to reach out to them, to bring them in, to draw them in, allow them to feel the love of god. people said that under john paul people came to see him and under benedict people came to hear pope benedict. i think when people come to rome they'll come to feel pope francis, feel the love he just exudes, the simplicity, franciscan spirit of mercy and forgiveness. >> he has gotten a lot of good reviews so far. you see him in the crowd.
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for his personality. policy is a different thing especially among american catholics. it was interesting, cardinal timothy dolan was on the "today" show this morning and said he thinks he heard something about maybe a more expanded role for women in the homily today. >> he said this tender love has to go to creation. >> right. >> to god's creatures, and especially to those who are most fragile, especially those who are poor and struggling and who feel alienated. women are pros when it comes to tender love. will they have a more accented role in his papacy? i wouldn't doubt it. >> could he surprise us -- women deacons, women priests, married priests? >> i think he will surprise us. he, himself, said fidelity to be faithful is always to change. it's a blossoming of growth and that to be faithful is to always change and to bring about change within life because that is the path of the future, the path of hope. i think he knows it is very
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important that half of the voice of the church was not present in that conclave that elected him. he is aware of that and works in latin america where women make up a large body who spread the word of god, teach the faith to their children. he loves the mother of god, herself, who is the first example to us, really the example of fidelity, the example of change. she who changed her whole life to be bent to the will of god. i think he is aware of that and is going to find a role and a path for women in the church. >> that's different than we're seeing now. i think so yes. i hope so. it's the hope he spoke of we are going to have you back when that happens, father. thank you so much. >> you're welcome. >> and that wraps up this hour of "jansing & company." i'm chris jansing. thomas roberts is up next. so good to see you back. your reporting was excellent and effortless all at the same time. >> thank you. >> well done. lots of big stories topping our agenda. just hours to go before president obama sets off for the middle east and convincing israel that he'll be tough on iran. that's topping his to-do list.
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